They have a youtube video on the incline for the Garmin watch. I am not sure what info this puts in for your runs, but thought I would share. Yes, it does! You can check out the watch compatibility here: link to npe-inc. I assume the speed measurement is based on how long it takes the sticker to move between the two optical sensors?
Does this mean there has to be a fixed distance between stickers? Which was disappointing, but only cycling trainers ever really supported it anyway. So I doubt Garmin will add those profiles back just for this treadmill unit. Yes, the Runn should mount fine and work fine with a curved, self powered treadmill.
One of our developers actually tested with a Technogym curved treadmill recently and it worked fine. For cadence, we have an onboard circuit that is looking at motion data. The motion data is run through an algorithm which provides cadence.
The maximum speed is limited by the values that will fitness in the speed data sent over Bluetooth. This limit is Or are all belts the same size? If you look at the pictures, there are two optical sensors.
It will just measure the time the white marker needs from one sensor to the other. Due to this, no calibration or belt length needed. More white markers means it is measuring more often good at low speeds.
So it measures the time to get from one sensor to the next but it has to know the distance between those two sensors in order to calculate speed right?
Then what if I put 5 stickers down instead of 2. Do they all have to be the same distance apart? Just trying to figure out how it calculates speed. The sensors are on the device, so it is tracking the time for the sticker to hit the first and second sensor- they know exactly how far apart the sensors are on the hardware. I thought the same thing at first- how do they know how far apart the dots are, then realized they are just tracking the time each dot goes between their two sensors.
This looks great.. However, I am in the camp of only using a treadmill in the gym. Its a work gym, not open to the public, but fairly busy and has about 8 treadmills. Do you know if NPE will sell spare cradles? I think I could persuade the gym to buy a unit or two, and keep them behind the desk for those who want to use them.
Great — thanks. Hi, instead of the silver stickers a metallic marker pen should also work and my be easier to apply and to refresh after some time. Would you be able to connect both the Runn and Stryd to a single device e. And the Stryd part would cover power. Cadence in that scenario would have to come from Runn. Quick related question regarding running apps.
Yes, it will work on a Woodway or similar slatted treadmill. Hy Ray, One question, it counts the number of revolutions of the belt, but how it measures the lenght of the belt in order to give the speed? It has two optical sensors on the device that it knows the distance between and simply times how long it takes for the sticker to pass from the first sensor to the second one.
Did I just miss that part? How does it know you have 1 or 6 stickers? How it knows belt speed. I just saw someone comment that there were 2 optical sensors and it just measures the time between the 1st sensor detection and the 2nd sensor detection. Yes, the reflective stickers can be too wide. We posted a stencil on our knowledge base in case people want to make their own marks. Where can I find the stencil? Or I guess a safe bet would be just dont make them any larger than the stickers right?
FYI there IS calibration if required. Mine was showing incorrect speeds on initial installation and they guided me through the following steps which worked:. Step 1 — Set the treadmill speed to 5mph and the incline setting to 0.
Step 2 — Press and hold the white button the back of the Runn for 6 seconds. The Runn LEDs will blink from left to right when calibration is active. Step 4 — After the calibration process has completed, the LEDs will go dark unless the Runn is plugged in.
If the Runn is not reporting the correct speed, repeat steps again. Step 6 — If calibration is successful, the Runn can now be used. If calibration still fails, please contact us. Just had this back as I wanted to see if there was a way to calibrate a self powered Manuel curved treadmill. There is not a way to calibrate on a self-powered treadmill because it cannot be set to a consistent speed. I believe through my ignorance I miscalibrated my device when trying to set it up.
Right now when my treadmill is set to 3. Are you aware of a way to set the Runn back to factory setting? Been using the Runn and like it a lot. Good discussion below about effect of ground contact on the belt speed and how it effects the calibration.
Seems like it should come pre-calibrated — otherwise calibrating to the treadmill speed somewhat defeats the purpose of using it. The Runn comes already factory calibrated. You can reset it to factory calibration by holding the white button for 10 seconds.
It does show incline data on Strava. I adjusted incline running on Zwift and it showed on my Strava file. Although it will not send decline so it was just a constantly rising hill on the data. Wonder if the Runn incline sensor is more accurate. That would be easy to measure: get adigital Stabila they can be trusted and give it a go.
Those are tools you only need to buy once. Great review, thanks. I have a question about the stickers. Do they need to be placed at even intervals around the belt? And how does the Runn unit know if the treadmill has done a single revolution if there are multiple stickers?
More marks just add more measurement points per belt revolution. I loved the review and went to their site to purchase one, but hesitant because neither your review nor their website includes the dimensions of the baseplate on which it mounts. I do have a flat spot on the rear and the top of the treadmill, but they are fairly short. Can you post the dimensions of the baseplate? I also sent a request to NPE on their website that they include dimensions so that a consumer can make sure that it will work with their specific treadmill.
Love your review and it has me sold since either me footpod or treadmill really sucks at accuracy. The design fundamentally could do that as-is, other than a mechanical design characteristics of the treadmill — i. Since I can trigger changes in speed in the footpod by altering my stride or cadence, I am betting that changes in running form treadmill vs tarmac would also affect it.
The introduction of the RUNN seems like a good time for an indoor run speed shootout type article, maybe comparing a couple of running pods vs the RUNN. Once I get back from the Tour Down Under after the weekend. Hey Ray, thanks for this detailed article, as always very helpful! Also one question on the calibration: How many of you did have to calibrate the speed to 5mph?
If my treadmill is off regarding the speed which it definitely is a bit , than the Runn would also be off by that amount.
Ingenious device, albeit with the looks of those DIY RadioShack electronic kits for cars like park distance control, auxiliary heating et cet.
I hope they sell enough so they can give the unit a major design overhaul, maybe even hide it in a less prominent, and exposed place. The location DCR mounted it on is like the most stepped on surface of a treadmill besides the belt.
I assume a speed of zero is transmitted if no cadence is detected? Should we be worried of cheating? What are you recording? Do you record your activity in both zwift and using your garmin watch? I like keeping all of my activities in garmin plus like to keep training status accurate. Basically what is yours or others setup when using zwift run? Thanks for the reply, so you just record the excersize both on your watch and zwift at the same time? My measurements show that at least on my semi-pro home treadmill there is a difference in speed when the belt is moving without any load you are in flight stage and when you put pressure on the belt during your ground contact time.
You could clearly see that from the video capture. And now the big question — what speed do you want to measure? I think fellrnr.
A lot of basic treadmills do have Bluetooth data connectivity specifically Horizon and Matrix that I sell in my retail store. How do the two compare? Tim from North Pole Engineering here. My treadmill has the SOLE brand name printed in white on both sides of the belt. Has this been addressed? The Runn could be triggered by other markings on the belt.
Feel free to send a picture to use at support npe-inc. Gonna give it a try. Peloton does sync with Strava, but no incline data on Strava end, so this might be good fix. Problem with Peloton and Zwift also the huge monitor fixed on the treadmill. Nice hardware, though. We are looking at a way to add incline data as a data field you can include on your Garmin. We will post news on this on our knowledge base at npe-inc. Same analysis here about the elevation. Beside that and the fact that the documentation about how to use the device is really… short , it works very very well!
What are the dimensions of the bracket? This enables broadcast of speed and heart rate information to virtual running applications such as Zwift. As always, picking it up via Clever Training US helps support the site here, thus making you awesome.
Have a great weekend all! The Runn is always on broadcasting in Bluetooth at a very low power so you essentially just need to open Zwift and connect it. If you double tap the white button, it turns on the ANT radio and if you double tap it again, it turns the ANT radio off.
Have noticed that there seems to be about a 10 second delay to reset to 0 when going from speed immediately to stop, I guess less of an issue for powered trendmill users. What kind of white-out do you recommend that is adhesive to the belt?
Download the Runn sticker template and you can use white out tape. That would come off easier but stay on well.
I just hooked up my Runn and tried it on Zwift this past weekend. My guess is that Zwift thinks the speed sent by the Runn device is in mph which Zwift then converts to kph. Is there a setting either on the Runn device or in Zwift to correct this error? Thanks, Scott. I just installed my Runn last night and have the same issue. Runn speed is WAY higher than treadmill indicated speed. I currently have 3 stickers on the belt so I may try fiddling with 1 or 2 and see if that makes a difference.
It works brilliantly and makes jumping on the treadmill to use Zwift so much simpler. But… the elevation data on my activities is absolutely when posted to Garmin or Strava thousands of feet of elevation gain. Strava have fixed a few activities for me but I think they are getting sick of me asking. Has anyone else encountered this problem? And, if so, any solutions?? You can email us at support npe-inc. Thanks for the review. Love this! Just got mine delivered and set up. Had to macgyver it a bit.
Removed the cardboard and stuck a thick shim on the side of the treadmill fit perfect and used command strips to affix the cradle. Seems to be working well now. Had ordered it a little while ago, it arrived quickly but been off my feet. Set it up quickly this am and it was so easy to actually run for a change. No drop outs or pumping 2 buttons each time or using a phone and an ipad and making sure both were charged I was using TSS app or an original milestone.
Thanks Ray for the tips on placement and always on. Now, as for the second part — connections to 3rd party services. Peloton only supports Fitbit and Strava. So, you can actually go to one of their studios and do it, and even ones of their show-rooms too which they have boatloads of. Those work too. Same goes for any friends, etc….
Thanks for the excellent article. Thanks Ray. I was able to purchase the sensor successfully with the link so looks like everything is back to normal. Thanks for taking care of this and for your detailed reviews! Dropped out early in run when I slowed to a walk during warmup and then twoard the end during a steady hard effort.
Am I better off pairing via BT to my Garmin ? I had many dropouts this morning on a 15km Zwift run maybe 50 times. Both show very similar dropouts. I think it has to do with the fact that I replaced the Runn stickers on the treadmill belt with painted Wite-Out ones yesterday.
I had done a test to see that the Runn unit was picking up the marks. Discount code not working again. Went to order and got: Oops! This item is not valid with coupon codes. I picked up the Runn after reading this and I love it! Thanks for the article. Short of removing the foot pod from my shoes, is there a way I can tell my Fenix 6 to prefer the Runn data source when it is available?
I guess I misunderstood the incline piece… Just got my RUNN but dont see my activity recorded any of the incline changes. What am I missing? This is a pain for Brick workouts. Is there a Bluetooth dongle or something that would allow me more connections. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Andrew. After some frustration, it does work, sort of… The Runn and Neo must be programed into the Cable on separate channels, this requires a manual switch on the NPE Cable app. This is less than ideal as the whole point for me was to create a smooth transition for brick workouts and practicing tri transitions. Any suggestions on brick workouts in Zwift. Happy with the out of the box calibration, so do not understand why people would like to re-calibrate their Runn to match treadmill speed.
The whole point of this is to have accurate and consistent belt speed measurement, rather than assuming your treadmillis correct or indeed your footpod especially at different speeds or stride lengths at those speeds.
Surely just like when cycling, if moving on the flat or an incline, if you stop pedaling, Zwift knows to stop you. So why on Running would Zwift ignore a complete lack of cadence and just have me running immediately?? Using the Runn with my Garmin set to treadmill and mid-run I get tons of terrible dropouts.
Previously they occurred after 45 minutes or so, but today I had 2 in the first 20 minutes. It takes forever to re-connect and in fact today, the only way I was able to reconnect was by re-starting my watch.
Anybody have any similar issues or suggestions? I am now on my second unit to be honest. It would just stay stuck at After much troubleshooting it was replaced by NPE and the new unit worked without issue.
The dropouts are so short that my avatar does not slow down or get affected in any way. It really does not seem to have any impact apart from me seeing the dropouts on the screen since the data is not affected. I share your frustration with regards to interval sessions with your avatar still moving if you remove yourself from the moving belt. I use to jump off the belt in between intervals when using a footpod and it worked quite well.
It works fine this way. It is odd however that Runn or Zwift does not have a way of ignoring belt speed if cadence goes to zero. We have sent this to a few customers with positive results on the data drop out issue.
We would be interested in seeing if it also helped your situation. If you are interested in trying the beta firmware, please send us an email at: support npe-inc. Mine did not transmit cadence or incline until I updated the firmware, which was not indicated anywhere in the instructions and was not easy to find on the website and requires a separate app , so you may want to stick a note in the box telling people to first update the firmware and provide the app name, etc.
However, even after updating the firmware and resetting the unit, the incline is not correct. I also noted that the speed is correct at 5. However, as soon as you step on the treadmill it slows down to reading too low. I also noted that the distance shown in the Garmin watch does not match the distance shown in the Runn IQ app IQ app is higher than watch. How can the same data stream produce different results in the native watch app and the Runn IQ app?
Hi Tommy — Thank you for also reaching out to our support e-mail, we look forward to working with you on this! Worse, it can conflict with the wahoo trainers and take up a bluetooth slot on the apple tv. Turning it off would solve that. I purchased the Runn and am quite disappointed. It is supposed to do three things; transmit elevation, cadence and distance and fails at all three. Distance is hit or miss, sometimes it is long and other times it is short and the stickers provided stick for about one use before needing to be replaced.
Cadence is low which means I needed to move it to multiple places on the treadmill to try and get it right and it is still off. But worst is elevation. It does not actually transmit elevation directly, it only goes to their Connect IQ app and does not get incorporated into the data and does not appear in Connect, Strava or anywhere else and is ridiculously inaccurate.
I have tried numerous rests and calibrations but it never changes, it is just all over the place. My biggest disappointment is their customer support. I tried working with them, changing locations of stickers, moving the unit, recalibrating etc.
So I am supposed to pay to ship it back myself on the hope that maybe they will work on getting me a refund? What kind of support is that? It does not work, give me my money back. If I had bought it in a store I would simply go to the store and return it, but since I bought it directly from them I get the runaround. I am very disappointed as I had such high hopes for this device and really wanted it to work, but I should not have to work this hard to get basic functionality out of it.
My trusty old Garmin foot pod is far more accurate and reliable. We would be happy to give you a refund once we have the unit back.
We would like to work with you to make returning it as easy as possible. Our fulfillment department will be reaching out to you to provide you a shipping label so there is no cost to you to return it. Great device.
First I used a zwift runpod but it had to be calibrates for every run to be accurate. After a month of using RUNN on zwift and km later, I can say that it is a great product, but still some issues to resolve. Would be great to have two separate calibrations, one for speed, one for incline so we can keep the speed factory settings.
I never have to touch it, zwift will turn Bluetooth on and off on it automatically. This should be explained somewhere in the doc. It is all wrong. Although calibrated showing 0 with Gymtrakr app and There is also no way to calibrate incline in Zwift so no way to check.
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